The garbage: "The garbage is quite symbolic for me. Modernism and older theories of abstract painting always single out the right form and throw something else out as being not as good; Josef Albers was always talking about good form and the right form. But I like to work with those things — they might be a little more irritating, but they're also more interesting. I don't really believe there's a 'right form.' Some things just take time to be understood."