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Design or art hero: “Guiseppe Penone, as his work has a certain material logic that I respond to as well as the idea that the mystery, magic, and content lie within the material. This is a point that I try to keep in mind while working with ceramics: that there is inherent material content, be it usability, the handmade, decoration, or regional/global historical traits. All of those can be used as content, and a work of art can operate in a way so as to interrupt that logic or work with it to reveal something new.”